Discussion:
0.9.20 released
Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-08 08:52:42 UTC
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The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.

This release can be downloaded from the sourceforge download page:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339

Detailed list of changes:

New widgetset: fpgui

updated translations: german, finnish, catalan, russian,
italian, africaans (af-za), spanish
IDE: renaming a component now automatically renames methods
with default names, and inherited components
made TColorButton a TCustomSpeedButton descendant
from Tom Gregorovic
Capture any mouse button by setting TControl.CaptureMouseButton
property from Tom Gregorovic (#7653)
LCL: published TAction.DisableIfNoHandler
LCL: setup better default properties for png writer
from Tom Gregorovic
IDE: project directory is now added to the include path
of all project directories
sqldb package: added TOracleConnection to component palette
win32 installer: fixed including the binutils from fpcbuild
creating package makefiles: the win64 OS uses the win32 widget set
svn2revisioninc can parse svn 1.4 meta data to determine a version
debugger: added dwarfloading to windebugger
added exception dissection
added linenumber address resolving
added setting of breakpoints
the search results window now has a close button for non gtk users
trayiconlaz: moved TTrayIcon to 'additional' tab in component
palette for Delphi compatibility
LCL: added TStaticText to 'additional' tab in component palette
for Delphi compatibility
IDEIntf: image list editor: implemented auto splitting
of added image from Etrusco
synedit: codefolding is now completely implemented and
enabled as default in the IDE. It uses simple begin..end blocks
as demonstration. Eventually nicer block boundaries will be used.
grids, picklist select fixed
TrimFilename no longer reduces ${Macro}/.. directories
cups printing: implemented default paper sizes from Jesus
moved code from TControlScrollBar to TScrollingWinControl,
deriving TScrollingWinControl from TCustomControl from Flavio
added example to add IDE help for the sources of a package
examples/helpforpackage/demopackagewithhelp.lpk
test runner: added writing results to file
and showing simple progress
fpcunit: new console runner uses new fpcunitconsolerunner package

qt intf:
Patch from zeljko. Implements TQtAbstractSlider, TQtScrollBar,
TQtTrackBar, TQtPen (CreatePenIndirect)
and TQtRegion (CreateRectRgn).
Unified qt4 header files. Updated bindings to 1.21
added support for menus, font, progressbar and statusbar
Combobox

And two hundred fixes and minor improvements.

Mattias
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Michael Van Canneyt
2006-11-08 09:45:57 UTC
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Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
Congratulations. Nice job !

Michael.
Nataraj S Narayan
2006-11-10 13:23:29 UTC
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Hi Michael

Does it matter in any way,for an 'svn' user in Linux?

regards

Nataraj
Post by Michael Van Canneyt
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
Congratulations. Nice job !
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Alexandre Leclerc
2006-11-08 14:30:24 UTC
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Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
I can't get the debugger to work (i.e. stop on break points). Is it a
known issue?
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Vincent Snijders
2006-11-08 14:53:29 UTC
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Post by Alexandre Leclerc
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
I can't get the debugger to work (i.e. stop on break points). Is it a
known issue?
I don't have that problem on windows 2000.

Vincent
Marc Weustink
2006-11-08 15:16:05 UTC
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Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Alexandre Leclerc
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
I can't get the debugger to work (i.e. stop on break points). Is it a
known issue?
I don't have that problem on windows 2000.
Me neither on winXP and Linux

So it is not known.

What OS, what debugger did you define and which version of GDB ?

Marc
Alexandre Leclerc
2006-11-08 15:46:33 UTC
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Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Alexandre Leclerc
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
I can't get the debugger to work (i.e. stop on break points). Is it a
known issue?
I don't have that problem on windows 2000.
Me neither on winXP and Linux
So it is not known.
What OS, what debugger did you define and which version of GDB ?
There must be something wrong with my setup then. I used the whole .20
release files. But I did copy the .xml config files and fixed the
path... and it did not work. It might be a setting somewhere. I'll try
to get my finger on it.

Now that I know it works for every one... It is sure my problem. :)
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Sebastian Kraft
2006-11-08 17:10:55 UTC
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Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
New widgetset: fpgui
Where is this? I can't find it in Build Lazarus Dialog or Project compile
options...
How can I use it?
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
2006-11-08 17:47:24 UTC
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Post by Sebastian Kraft
Post by Mattias Gaertner
New widgetset: fpgui
Where is this? I can't find it in Build Lazarus Dialog or Project compile
options...
How can I use it?
We just added a empty compilable skeleton for fpGUI, it isn't
implemented yet, so it wasn't added to the build lazarus dialog. I
think this was a bit misleading changes text.

fpGUI is a object oriented framework that writes it's own controls
(like Qt), and runs on top of X11 or Windows API currently. Currently
it's under heavy work, and thus not yet usable to write applications
as the API may change a lot in the next few weeks.

Because fpGUI does not use native controls, it's much easier to be
ported, as only the drawing functions need to be reimplemented.

In the future, after it's ready (and this can take a lot of time,
perhaps 1 year), I expect the following benefits for LCL-fpGUI
interface:

* Direct X11 support on Lazarus (without Gtk or Qt).
* Make lazarus easier to port for more PDA platforms
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Luis R. Hilario B.
2006-11-08 19:29:22 UTC
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Like http://mypage.bluewin.ch/msegui/

But the files are enormous.
Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Post by Sebastian Kraft
Post by Mattias Gaertner
New widgetset: fpgui
Where is this? I can't find it in Build Lazarus Dialog or Project compile
options...
How can I use it?
We just added a empty compilable skeleton for fpGUI, it isn't
implemented yet, so it wasn't added to the build lazarus dialog. I
think this was a bit misleading changes text.
fpGUI is a object oriented framework that writes it's own controls
(like Qt), and runs on top of X11 or Windows API currently. Currently
it's under heavy work, and thus not yet usable to write applications
as the API may change a lot in the next few weeks.
Because fpGUI does not use native controls, it's much easier to be
ported, as only the drawing functions need to be reimplemented.
In the future, after it's ready (and this can take a lot of time,
perhaps 1 year), I expect the following benefits for LCL-fpGUI
* Direct X11 support on Lazarus (without Gtk or Qt).
* Make lazarus easier to port for more PDA platforms
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Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
2006-11-08 19:33:46 UTC
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Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
But the files are enormous.
Which files are enormous?
Darius Blaszijk
2006-11-08 21:40:04 UTC
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Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
But the files are enormous.
Which files are enormous?
This brings up another question. Would it be interesting to release a
stripped lazarus installer? I mean only the FPC compiler and the rest all
sources? You just simply install and invoke make clean all. Voila, you have
an installer that will be about 30% smaller.

Darius
Vincent Snijders
2006-11-08 21:55:04 UTC
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Post by Darius Blaszijk
Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
But the files are enormous.
Which files are enormous?
This brings up another question. Would it be interesting to release a
stripped lazarus installer? I mean only the FPC compiler and the rest
all sources? You just simply install and invoke make clean all. Voila,
you have an installer that will be about 30% smaller.
Yes, that would make sense. That is what I meant with source based
installer on http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/User:Vincent/todo_list

You can even ask whether to include debug info for RTL, FCL, LCL or not.

You can give the user an option to create cross compilers, at least to
targets without need for internal linkers.

I welcome patches and extensions in this direction.

Vincent
Darius Blaszijk
2006-11-08 23:39:00 UTC
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Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Darius Blaszijk
Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
But the files are enormous.
Which files are enormous?
This brings up another question. Would it be interesting to release a
stripped lazarus installer? I mean only the FPC compiler and the rest all
sources? You just simply install and invoke make clean all. Voila, you
have an installer that will be about 30% smaller.
Yes, that would make sense. That is what I meant with source based
installer on http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/User:Vincent/todo_list
You can even ask whether to include debug info for RTL, FCL, LCL or not.
Same applies for some of the tools, docs, tests, debian (did I forget any)
dirs.
Post by Vincent Snijders
You can give the user an option to create cross compilers, at least to
targets without need for internal linkers.
Exactly my idea
Post by Vincent Snijders
I welcome patches and extensions in this direction.
Shure I'm willing to help. I could make a new source installer to start with
(win32_src). We can add functionalty as we go. It's not only this installer,
but the binary installers could also be made a little bit leaner. Like
mentioned above there is stuff included that is never used by users but only
devels use. Do we want to keep including that?

Darius
Luis R. Hilario B.
2006-11-08 22:12:05 UTC
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Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
But the files are enormous.
Which files are enormous?
The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui
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Graeme Geldenhuys
2006-11-09 09:22:09 UTC
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Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Which files are enormous?
The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui
Isn't that just because of the debug information inside the
executables. This is covered in the Free Pascal or Lazarus FAQ. Use
the 'strip' command, to remove the debug information from the
executable.

For example:
I compile a app with Lazarus and the executable is 12Mb. After using
'strip appname.exe' it shrinks down to 4Mb.

Regards,
- Graeme -
Luis R. Hilario B.
2006-11-09 14:28:35 UTC
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Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Which files are enormous?
The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui
Isn't that just because of the debug information inside the
executables. This is covered in the Free Pascal or Lazarus FAQ. Use
the 'strip' command, to remove the debug information from the
executable.
I compile a app with Lazarus and the executable is 12Mb. After using
'strip appname.exe' it shrinks down to 4Mb.
I know.
You consider that 4MB is small?

<joke>
It is verified that the size yes imports. :)
<joke>
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Graeme Geldenhuys
2006-11-09 14:52:05 UTC
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Well, the app I used as an example isn't very small. It wasn't a
'Hello World' app. Yes it is bigger than Delphi created, but then I
worked on Delphi apps that had 35Mb executables, and no that wasn't
due to image resources. Just a very large app. With today's hard
drive space - who cares! :-)

For internet downloading/distribution, use 7zip for compression. It
shrinks files like nothing before!

Regards,
- Graeme -
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Which files are enormous?
The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui
Isn't that just because of the debug information inside the
executables. This is covered in the Free Pascal or Lazarus FAQ. Use
the 'strip' command, to remove the debug information from the
executable.
I compile a app with Lazarus and the executable is 12Mb. After using
'strip appname.exe' it shrinks down to 4Mb.
I know.
You consider that 4MB is small?
<joke>
It is verified that the size yes imports. :)
<joke>
Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
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Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-10 09:01:10 UTC
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:28:35 -0400
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
Post by Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Which files are enormous?
The final result of the programs created with MSEide + MSEgui
Isn't that just because of the debug information inside the
executables. This is covered in the Free Pascal or Lazarus FAQ.
Use the 'strip' command, to remove the debug information from the
executable.
I compile a app with Lazarus and the executable is 12Mb. After
using 'strip appname.exe' it shrinks down to 4Mb.
I know.
You consider that 4MB is small?
<joke>
It is verified that the size yes imports. :)
<joke>
There are two solutions:
- Improve LCL for smart linking
- Improve compiler and lazarus for dynamic lib.

Improving smart linking is not a complex task. Just start with the less
commonly used controls like TSpinEdit and see where it is used in the
LCL and the widgetset you prefer. Then make a proposal how to improve
it. Once this process and the techniques are described in the wiki on a
few examples, others will help.


Mattias
Graeme Geldenhuys
2006-11-09 09:17:52 UTC
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Post by Luis R. Hilario B.
Like http://mypage.bluewin.ch/msegui/
The same idea yes, but a few different features.

Regards,
- Graeme -
Sebastian Kraft
2006-11-08 17:20:33 UTC
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Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a
bit "squeezed". font is small and ugly. With the svn some days before it was
excellent...
Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-09 07:48:26 UTC
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On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:20:33 +0100
Post by Sebastian Kraft
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
release is based on fpc 2.0.4.
Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a
bit "squeezed". font is small and ugly. With the svn some days before
it was excellent...
I don't remember any such change. At least not since 0.9.18.
Please create a bug report.


Mattias
John Meyer
2006-11-09 12:14:40 UTC
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I'm still getting the error that the kde/gnome lazarus icon fails to
start lazarus and when I type lazarus in the alt+f2, it gives me an
error. Incidentally, when I start it either from the command line or
from an icon on the desktop there are no problems starting it.
Post by Mattias Gaertner
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:20:33 +0100
Post by Sebastian Kraft
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
release is based on fpc 2.0.4.
Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a
bit "squeezed". font is small and ugly. With the svn some days before
it was excellent...
I don't remember any such change. At least not since 0.9.18.
Please create a bug report.
Mattias
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Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-10 08:53:09 UTC
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:14:40 -0700
Post by John Meyer
I'm still getting the error that the kde/gnome lazarus icon fails to
start lazarus and when I type lazarus in the alt+f2, it gives me an
error. Incidentally, when I start it either from the command line or
from an icon on the desktop there are no problems starting it.
What error? This seems to be a different bug.
I will check later.

Mattias
Post by John Meyer
Post by Mattias Gaertner
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:20:33 +0100
Post by Sebastian Kraft
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
release is based on fpc 2.0.4.
Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a
bit "squeezed". font is small and ugly. With the svn some days
before it was excellent...
I don't remember any such change. At least not since 0.9.18.
Please create a bug report.
Mattias
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John Meyer
2006-11-10 12:32:31 UTC
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When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
following error:
KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus

Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will

Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version). Also the version
of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.
Post by Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:14:40 -0700
Post by John Meyer
I'm still getting the error that the kde/gnome lazarus icon fails to
start lazarus and when I type lazarus in the alt+f2, it gives me an
error. Incidentally, when I start it either from the command line or
from an icon on the desktop there are no problems starting it.
What error? This seems to be a different bug.
I will check later.
Mattias
Post by John Meyer
Post by Mattias Gaertner
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:20:33 +0100
Post by Sebastian Kraft
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
release is based on fpc 2.0.4.
Mhm... with new release the editor looks strange. everything is a
bit "squeezed". font is small and ugly. With the svn some days
before it was excellent...
I don't remember any such change. At least not since 0.9.18.
Please create a bug report.
Mattias
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Marc Santhoff
2006-11-10 23:34:58 UTC
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Post by John Meyer
When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus
Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will
Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version). Also the version
of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.
$ which startlazarus

or

$ which lazarus

is your friend

HTH,
Marc
John Meyer
2006-11-11 00:10:21 UTC
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***@linux-42sq:~> which startlazarus
/usr/bin/startlazarus
***@linux-42sq:~> which lazarus
/usr/bin/lazarus
***@linux-42sq:~>

Helps?
Post by Marc Santhoff
Post by John Meyer
When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus
Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will
Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version). Also the version
of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.
$ which startlazarus
or
$ which lazarus
is your friend
HTH,
Marc
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2006-11-11 03:39:41 UTC
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Post by John Meyer
/usr/bin/startlazarus
Look at this path ...
Post by John Meyer
/usr/bin/lazarus
Helps?
Post by John Meyer
When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus
.. and compare to what the kde launcher searches for.
Post by John Meyer
Post by John Meyer
Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will
Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version). Also the version
of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.
I don't know if this is a lazarus installation error or something in
your personal setup of the kde environment, but you as user (I'm still
happy with windowmaker, cannot comment on kde) and maybe system
administrator can correct it.

Helps? ;)

Marc
John Meyer
2006-11-11 03:59:45 UTC
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Good catch on that, I'll look at the menu item, now as far as what KDE
searches for when I bring up the alt+f2 menu, how do I change that?
Post by Marc Santhoff
I don't know if this is a lazarus installation error or something in
your personal setup of the kde environment, but you as user (I'm still
happy with windowmaker, cannot comment on kde) and maybe system
administrator can correct it.
Helps? ;)
Marc
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John Meyer
2006-11-11 04:05:34 UTC
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Okay, changed that in the KDE environment and now pulls up like a
charm. It's not that much of an obvious solution (namely, didn't know
the alt+f2 didn't just go to that executable), but I should have checked
there.
Post by Marc Santhoff
Post by John Meyer
/usr/bin/startlazarus
Look at this path ...
Post by John Meyer
/usr/bin/lazarus
Helps?
Post by John Meyer
When I bring up the alt+f2 command and type lazarus, it gives me the
KDEInit could not launch /usr/share/lazarus/startlazarus
.. and compare to what the kde launcher searches for.
Post by John Meyer
Post by John Meyer
Also, the icon in the start menu won't work, but creating an icon on the
desktop to run lazarus, as well as invoking it from the command line, will
Running OpenSuse 10.1 with KDE 3.5 (latest version). Also the version
of KDE that was bundled with OS 10.1 had the same error.
I don't know if this is a lazarus installation error or something in
your personal setup of the kde environment, but you as user (I'm still
happy with windowmaker, cannot comment on kde) and maybe system
administrator can correct it.
Helps? ;)
Marc
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2006-11-11 04:26:03 UTC
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Post by John Meyer
Okay, changed that in the KDE environment and now pulls up like a
charm. It's not that much of an obvious solution (namely, didn't know
the alt+f2 didn't just go to that executable), but I should have checked
there.
The question is how the kde config got the idea of searching for
executables in /usr/share/. Normally that's the place for installing
docs, examples and the like.

I think (but haven't checked) the installation path of lazarus is
configurable. If you used some package, the path would have to be
adjusted when preparing the package, otherwise the makefile or some
config file would be the target. But /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin is the
perfect place for system wide accessible executables.

Marc
Al Boldi
2006-11-08 17:39:40 UTC
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Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
Are there any incremental tarballs available?


Thanks!

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Vincent Snijders
2006-11-08 17:44:04 UTC
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Post by Al Boldi
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
Are there any incremental tarballs available?
No. Only complete source.

Vincent
Al Boldi
2006-11-08 18:17:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
Are there any incremental tarballs available?
No. Only complete source.
Complete source is pretty big.

How big would an incremental tarball be?


Thanks!

--
Al
Vincent Snijders
2006-11-08 18:35:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
Are there any incremental tarballs available?
No. Only complete source.
Complete source is pretty big.
How big would an incremental tarball be?
As Florian said, use svn to get an estimate (all on one line):
svn diff
svn+ssh://www.freepascal.org/FPC/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_0_9_18
svn+ssh://www.freepascal.org/FPC/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_0_9_20 > diff.txt

and then zip the diff.

Or isn't this an incremental tarbal?

But IMHO, distributing such a thing is not worth the trouble.

Vincent
Al Boldi
2006-11-08 19:41:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
Are there any incremental tarballs available?
No. Only complete source.
Complete source is pretty big.
How big would an incremental tarball be?
svn diff
svn+ssh://www.freepascal.org/FPC/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_0_9_18
svn+ssh://www.freepascal.org/FPC/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_0_9_20 > diff.txt
and then zip the diff.
Wow, how easy!

But I don't have svn.

Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
Post by Vincent Snijders
Or isn't this an incremental tarbal?
Let's call it an incremental patch.
Post by Vincent Snijders
But IMHO, distributing such a thing is not worth the trouble.
IMHO, if it's that easy, it could be automated, like kernel.org.


Thanks!

--
Al
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
2006-11-08 19:42:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Al Boldi
But I don't have svn.
It's free to download:

http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
Post by Al Boldi
Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
Yes it resumes.

The initial checkout will probably take hours on dial up, but after
that, each upgrade will be very fast. If you dont want unstability,
you can use svn to get the tags stable part instead of the unstable
trunk.
--
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Vincent Snijders
2006-11-08 19:49:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Al Boldi
But I don't have svn.
Get it, it is worth it.
Post by Al Boldi
Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
This diff command doesn't. But generally svn checkout and svn update are
quite resilient against lost connections.
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Vincent Snijders
Or isn't this an incremental tarbal?
Let's call it an incremental patch.
Post by Vincent Snijders
But IMHO, distributing such a thing is not worth the trouble.
IMHO, if it's that easy, it could be automated, like kernel.org.
Uploading on sourceforge cannot be automated.

Vincent
Al Boldi
2006-11-08 20:27:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
But I don't have svn.
Get it, it is worth it.
Post by Al Boldi
Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
This diff command doesn't.
So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?

I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.


Thanks!

--
Al
Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-09 08:20:42 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:27:00 +0300
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
But I don't have svn.
Get it, it is worth it.
Post by Al Boldi
Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
This diff command doesn't.
So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?
I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.
0.9.15 was never released, it was a developer version. If eventually
there will be diffs, they will be the diffs from release to release
(e.g. 0.9.18 - 0.9.20).

The svn can create diffs with the following command:
svn diff -r 9933:10175.
This is the diff between 0.9.18 and 0.9.20 and creates a diff
of 4.7mb, gzipped: 0.8mb.
But there were less changes than normal. For comparison the diff between
0.9.16 and 0.9.18 is 7mb, gzipped 1.4mb.


Mattias
Al Boldi
2006-11-09 10:47:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
But I don't have svn.
Get it, it is worth it.
Post by Al Boldi
Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
This diff command doesn't.
So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?
I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.
0.9.15 was never released, it was a developer version. If eventually
there will be diffs, they will be the diffs from release to release
(e.g. 0.9.18 - 0.9.20).
So what I need is a diff from the 0.9.15 daily tarball snapshot from
2006.05.10 to the 0.9.16 release. Is this possible?

If so, can someone provide this for me?
Post by Mattias Gaertner
svn diff -r 9933:10175.
This is the diff between 0.9.18 and 0.9.20 and creates a diff
of 4.7mb, gzipped: 0.8mb.
But there were less changes than normal. For comparison the diff between
0.9.16 and 0.9.18 is 7mb, gzipped 1.4mb.
Great! bz2 could possibly provide even higher compression.


Thanks!

--
Al
Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-10 09:06:43 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:47:22 +0300
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
But I don't have svn.
Get it, it is worth it.
Post by Al Boldi
Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
This diff command doesn't.
So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?
I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.
0.9.15 was never released, it was a developer version. If eventually
there will be diffs, they will be the diffs from release to release
(e.g. 0.9.18 - 0.9.20).
So what I need is a diff from the 0.9.15 daily tarball snapshot from
2006.05.10 to the 0.9.16 release. Is this possible?
To create the diff, you need the revision number of that tarball. There
are 2 changes on that day.
Post by Al Boldi
If so, can someone provide this for me?
Post by Mattias Gaertner
svn diff -r 9933:10175.
This is the diff between 0.9.18 and 0.9.20 and creates a diff
of 4.7mb, gzipped: 0.8mb.
But there were less changes than normal. For comparison the diff
between 0.9.16 and 0.9.18 is 7mb, gzipped 1.4mb.
Great! bz2 could possibly provide even higher compression.
Yes, but then our work does not look so impressive. ;)

Mattias
Al Boldi
2006-11-10 11:10:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Al Boldi
But I don't have svn.
Get it, it is worth it.
Post by Al Boldi
Plus, I am on dial-up; does svn resume on lost connections?
This diff command doesn't.
So maybe someone can do me a favor, if the diff isn't too big?
I am on laz-0.9.15, and fpc-2.0.2.
0.9.15 was never released, it was a developer version. If eventually
there will be diffs, they will be the diffs from release to release
(e.g. 0.9.18 - 0.9.20).
So what I need is a diff from the 0.9.15 daily tarball snapshot from
2006.05.10 to the 0.9.16 release. Is this possible?
To create the diff, you need the revision number of that tarball. There
are 2 changes on that day.
2006-05-10 15:12:34 +0300 lazarus-0.9.15-20060510-src.tar.bz2
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Al Boldi
If so, can someone provide this for me?
Post by Mattias Gaertner
svn diff -r 9933:10175.
This is the diff between 0.9.18 and 0.9.20 and creates a diff
of 4.7mb, gzipped: 0.8mb.
But there were less changes than normal. For comparison the diff
between 0.9.16 and 0.9.18 is 7mb, gzipped 1.4mb.
Great! bz2 could possibly provide even higher compression.
Yes, but then our work does not look so impressive. ;)
Small is beautiful!


Thanks!

--
Al
Nilo Roberto C Paim
2006-11-08 17:50:31 UTC
Permalink
Hi All,

I've downloaded 0.9.20 this morning and tried to use the Oracle connection
( TOracleConnection ) from SQLdb tab.

Well, I got "Access Violation"...

Anyone knows what I'm missing? Is there any doc about it?

I'm using Lazarus 0.9.20 on Win2k, native interface.

TIA

Nilo
Porto Alegre - Brasil
Florian Klaempfl
2006-11-08 18:10:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Al Boldi
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
Are there any incremental tarballs available?
Use svn in this case :)
Søren Ager
2006-11-08 20:59:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is still
says 0.9.18 in the caption and about? Cosmetic bug or wrong version?


Take care,
Søren
Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-09 07:59:11 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:59:29 +0100
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This
release is based on fpc 2.0.4.
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is still
says 0.9.18 in the caption and about? Cosmetic bug or wrong version?
Did you download an install the lazarus_0.9.20-0_i386.deb?
I will double check.

Mattias
Søren Ager
2006-11-09 13:19:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is still
says 0.9.18 in the caption and about? Cosmetic bug or wrong version?
Did you download an install the lazarus_0.9.20-0_i386.deb?
I will double check.
Yes I did - and Synaptic package manager tells me version 0.9.20 is
installed.


Take care,
Søren
Marc Weustink
2006-11-09 15:21:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is still
says 0.9.18 in the caption and about? Cosmetic bug or wrong version?
Did you download an install the lazarus_0.9.20-0_i386.deb?
I will double check.
Yes I did - and Synaptic package manager tells me version 0.9.20 is
installed.
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
startlazarus ?

if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus

Marc
Søren Ager
2006-11-09 15:31:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
startlazarus ?
if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Ahhhh - that did it. Thanks a lot.


Take care,
Søren
Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-10 08:52:08 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:31:19 +0100
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
startlazarus ?
if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Ahhhh - that did it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?

Mattias
Vincent Snijders
2006-11-10 09:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:31:19 +0100
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
startlazarus ?
if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Ahhhh - that did it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?
Good idea.

Vincent
Graeme Geldenhuys
2006-11-10 09:47:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
startlazarus ?
if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Ahhhh - that did it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?
Good idea.
Vincent
Yes, a very good idea! I got caught by that same problem a few days
ago on a new install. Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
figure out why the changes where not there! In the end I created a
symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus

Can you user select where the compiled units and lazarus executable
gets placed? I would prefer /opt/lazarus/ directory.

Regards,
- Graeme -
Vincent Snijders
2006-11-10 10:06:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
startlazarus ?
if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Ahhhh - that did it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?
Good idea.
Vincent
Yes, a very good idea! I got caught by that same problem a few days
ago on a new install. Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
figure out why the changes where not there! In the end I created a
symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus
I don't understand your setup. Where is startlazarus, where is the original lazarus,
where is the new lazarus, which of those directories are read-only for you?

Vincent.
Graeme Geldenhuys
2006-11-10 11:06:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Yes, a very good idea! I got caught by that same problem a few days
ago on a new install. Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
figure out why the changes where not there! In the end I created a
symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus
I don't understand your setup. Where is startlazarus, where is the original lazarus,
where is the new lazarus, which of those directories are read-only for you?
Vincent.
Ok, sorry...

/opt/lazarus
This is where I have Lazarus installed and is read/write to me. I'm
the only user in my PC, so don't mind the permissions.

/opt/lazarus/lazarus
/opt/lazaurs/startlazarus
This is normally where these two executables live. I have my
desktop shortcut setup to point to /opt/lazarus/lazarus (or was that
'startlazarus' - I can't remember, I am no on a different PC now).
What is the purpose of 'startlazarus' anyhow?

~/.lazarus/*.xml
This is where my personal settings live. I never knew that! I have
*.xml files in /opt/lazarus/ as well, but see now that there dates are
old, so deleted them. I'm sure lazarus used to store my settings in
/opt/lazarus/ but it doesn't matter.

Scenario 1:
Now on my current PC (main development PC at work), when I rebuild
Lazarus, new executable are created in /opt/lazarus/ and the compiled
units end in /opt/lazarus/units/ directory.

Scenario 2:
At home on my newly installed Lazarus (same SVN version and FPC), I
have the same directory layout. But, when I rebuild Lazarus there, the
new executables end up in ~/.lazarus/units and the compiled .ppu files
end up there as well.


I prefer Scenario 1, as that is what I am used to. So my question is,
how to I tell my computer at home (Scenario 2) that the newly created
executable must end up in /opt/lazarus/ directory?

Regards,
- Graeme -
Vincent Snijders
2006-11-10 11:19:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Yes, a very good idea! I got caught by that same problem a few days
ago on a new install. Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
figure out why the changes where not there! In the end I created a
symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus
I don't understand your setup. Where is startlazarus, where is the original lazarus,
where is the new lazarus, which of those directories are read-only for you?
Vincent.
Ok, sorry...
/opt/lazarus
This is where I have Lazarus installed and is read/write to me. I'm
the only user in my PC, so don't mind the permissions.
/opt/lazarus/lazarus
/opt/lazaurs/startlazarus
This is normally where these two executables live. I have my
desktop shortcut setup to point to /opt/lazarus/lazarus (or was that
'startlazarus' - I can't remember, I am no on a different PC now).
What is the purpose of 'startlazarus' anyhow?
~/.lazarus/*.xml
This is where my personal settings live. I never knew that! I have
*.xml files in /opt/lazarus/ as well, but see now that there dates are
old, so deleted them. I'm sure lazarus used to store my settings in
/opt/lazarus/ but it doesn't matter.
Now on my current PC (main development PC at work), when I rebuild
Lazarus, new executable are created in /opt/lazarus/ and the compiled
units end in /opt/lazarus/units/ directory.
At home on my newly installed Lazarus (same SVN version and FPC), I
have the same directory layout. But, when I rebuild Lazarus there, the
new executables end up in ~/.lazarus/units and the compiled .ppu files
end up there as well.
This should only happen if the directories mentioned in scenario 1 cannot be written
to. Do you have an idea why Lazarus thinks they are readonly?

Vincent
Graeme Geldenhuys
2006-11-10 11:36:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vincent Snijders
This should only happen if the directories mentioned in scenario 1 cannot be written
to. Do you have an idea why Lazarus thinks they are readonly?
No idea! I will double check my permissions from Work with the ones
from Home tonight and see if anything in different. Group vs User
permissions maybe? All I can say in that I can write/modify files in
/opt/lazarus and /opt/fpc on both PC's, as that is how I create
patches for Lazarus and FPC.

Regards,
- Graeme -
Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-10 11:02:12 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:47:08 +0200
Post by Graeme Geldenhuys
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Mattias Gaertner
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but
is still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus
using startlazarus ?
if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Ahhhh - that did it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the
lazarus executable and warn the user that the custom built
lazarus is older than the regular one (plus the hint, what file
to remove)?
Good idea.
Vincent
Yes, a very good idea! I got caught by that same problem a few days
ago on a new install. Rebuilt Lazarus and when it restarted, couldn't
figure out why the changes where not there! In the end I created a
symlink from /opt/lazarus/lazarus to ~/.lazarus/lazarus
Can you user select where the compiled units and lazarus executable
gets placed? I would prefer /opt/lazarus/ directory.
/opt/lazarus is normally not writable for normal users.
The IDE puts every global new file in the primary config path. By
default this is ~/.lazarus. But you change it with a command line
parameter.
If you want a custom install, use 'make install'.
The binary packages will try to follow the standards.


Mattias
Graeme Geldenhuys
2006-11-10 11:11:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattias Gaertner
/opt/lazarus is normally not writable for normal users.
Maybe I'm not a 'normal user' :-) Actually, on my system /opt is a
separate hard drive and I setup as read/write for myself. That way,
if I want to reinstall the Linux OS (new release) all my work is safe
and I can wipe the OS drive without worries. Oh, I normally backup my
$HOME directory as well, just in case.
Post by Mattias Gaertner
If you want a custom install, use 'make install'.
The binary packages will try to follow the standards.
I have never installed from a binary package. I always build from the SVN code.

Regards,
- Graeme -
Vincent Snijders
2006-11-10 20:49:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:31:19 +0100
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but is
still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus using
startlazarus ?
if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Ahhhh - that did it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the lazarus
executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus is older
than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?
So if I find both files and the ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus (which is
normally used is older than write protected one installed by a for
instance a rpm, I should display a message.

What should the message be?

The custom build lazarus at ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus is older than the
regular lazarus at /usr/share/lazarus/lazarus. Do you want to delete the
custom build lazarus and start the regular lazarus?

[Yes] [No] [Abort]

Yes: deletes ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus and starts /usr/share/lazarus/lazarus.

No: starts ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus

Abort: exists without starting lazarus.

Would this be ok?

Vincent
Mattias Gaertner
2006-11-12 22:37:57 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:49:55 +0100
Post by Vincent Snijders
Post by Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:31:19 +0100
Post by Søren Ager
Post by Marc Weustink
Post by Søren Ager
I downloaded and installed the .deb (on top of 0.9.18) - but
is still says 0.9.18 in the caption and about?
Did you install packages in 0.9.18 ? And do you start lazarus
using startlazarus ?
if so, remove ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Ahhhh - that did it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Marc.
Vincent, maybe startlazarus should check for the FileAge of the
lazarus executable and warn the user that the custom built lazarus
is older than the regular one (plus the hint, what file to remove)?
So if I find both files and the ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus (which is
normally used is older than write protected one installed by a for
instance a rpm, I should display a message.
What should the message be?
The custom build lazarus at ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus is older than the
regular lazarus at /usr/share/lazarus/lazarus. Do you want to delete
the custom build lazarus and start the regular lazarus?
[Yes] [No] [Abort]
Yes: deletes ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus and
starts /usr/share/lazarus/lazarus.
No: starts ~/.lazarus/bin/lazarus
Abort: exists without starting lazarus.
Maybe: exit without ...?
Post by Vincent Snijders
Would this be ok?
Definitely an improvement.

Mattias
Vincent Snijders
2006-11-20 14:41:07 UTC
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Post by Mattias Gaertner
The Lazarus team is glad to announce the 0.9.20 release. This release
is based on fpc 2.0.4.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339
Now there are rpms for x86_64 too:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339&package_id=212248

Vincent

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